16 valve B motor - living the dream

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby sweedspeeduk » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:44 am

Hi
I just have to say I am sooooo impressed with what you have done.
I've just spent a good 2 hours reading and re reading this thread and can not imagine the dedication it takes to tackle something of this magnitude

My hat is off to you sir !

I just had to sign up to congratulate you on this and if you need anything shipping from the uk I would be more than happy to help out with this project if I can.

Right off to the Introductions bar now :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby vince99 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:11 pm

Hi everyone,

Anyone interested in following in Luke's footsteps? I'm selling my 16v head :bawl:

Moving to Italy for at least 2 years and storing my 1978 99 EMS and all my 99 stuff including the 16v head is just too expensive for me. Taking it with me to Italy is near impossible and also too expensive.

So send me a PM if you want to built your own 16v B-type dream engine ;)

Thanks!

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby matt » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:17 pm

did you warn luke ahead of time?
so he could make 2 of everything?
"we changed a flat in 4 minutes, twice"
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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby BIRDIEMANGO » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:16 pm

APOLOGIES GUYS,PAGE 3 HALFWAY DOWN RELATES TO THE 16V B MOTOR......BUT YOU MAY JUST ENJOY READING THE REST OF IT.....?

http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic. ... ALLYT+2010

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby Geoff » Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:57 pm

I enjoyed reading it all, thanks! Its amazing what turns up in Sweden isn't it??
The kind of dirty that doesn't wash off :eyebrows:

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby BIRDIEMANGO » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:39 pm

LUKE,SOME MORE PICTURES OF THE 16V B ENGINE.......

ALL TAKEN IN TROLLHATTAN OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.......THREE DIFFERENT ENGINES
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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby Luke » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:15 am

Thanks for the pics Birdie, I had not seen the 16V at trollspeed before, it is on display or going to be restored and used?

I'm 90% of the way home on mine, I'm hoping this winter to be able to finish off the valve details and do final assembly.

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby BIRDIEMANGO » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:15 am

HELLO LUKE.......

FRIENDS FROM THE UK, HAD ALREADY DRIVEN OVER TO TROLLHATTAN 2010 IN THEIR 1978 3DR 99T,FOR THE 'SAAB FESTIVAL' & MIDNATTSOLRALLYT......

I GOT A PHONE CALL,TO MEET THEM OUTSIDE THE SAAB MUSUEM.....WHERE THEY PICKED US UP,TAKING US ACROSS TOWN TO 'TROLLSPEED'.......

I SPENT A GOOD WHILE TALKING TO 'TOMMI' AT TROLLSPEED .........WHOM BASICALLY IT WOULD APPEAR TOOK OVER THE 'COMPETITIONS' SIDE OF THINGS AFTER THE 'SAAB FACTORY' PULLED OUT OF RALLYING....

NOTHING WAS MENTIONED ABOUT REVIVING THE 'B' MOTOR 16V IN THE ABOVE PHOTO,IT JUST SEEMED THEY HAD PULLED IT OUT FROM UNDER THE BENCH,TO PUT IT ON DISPLAY FOR THE WEEKEND :dunno:

AFTER SHOWING HIM PICTURES OF MY CLARION BLOMQVIST CAR 'TOMMI' SEEMED FAR MORE INTERESTED IN TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 99 TURBO RALLY CARS........SHOWING ME ORIGINAL EXHAUST MANIFOLD MADE FROM 'INCONEL' TO WITHSTAND THE CONTINUAL THERMAL EXPANSION&CONTRACTION..........BUT IT WASN'T FOR SALE :bawl:

OR SHOULD I SAY,HE TALKED...AND I LISTENED INTENTLY :thumbsup:


LATER ON IN THE AFTERNOON,I TOOK THIS PHOTO OF THE MANIFOLD HEADER ON THE 16V EMS IN THE MUSUEM,NOTE HEAT SHIELDING FOR STARTER MOTOR.

I ORIGINALLY HAD PROBLEMS ON MY STARTER MOTOR ON THE 99T,BEFORE WRAPPING IT IN HEAT RESISTANT FOIL,AND FABRICATING SHIELDS TO KEEP THE STAGNANT HEAT FROM DESTROYING IT.
I ALSO ADDED A FAN MOUNTED UNDER THE CAR,DRAWING COOL AIR FROM THE FRONT AIRDAM,WHICH IS DIRECTED AT THE TURBO/STARTER MOTOR FROM UNDERNEATH,JUST TO KEEP AIR CIRCULATION TO A MAXIMUM,AFTER I HAVE COME IN OFF TRACK.........

THE TWO CARS IN THE MUSUEM, I SPENT PRETTY MUCH ALL AFTERNOON IN THERE.......OR RATHER IN THE ENGINE BAYS,AND UNDERNEATH.........IT IS PRETTY ASTOUNDING TO SEE THAT NEARLY ALL THE MODIFICATIONS ON THE WORKS CARS,WERE FABRICATED ITEMS THAT CAME FROM THE ORIGINAL 'SAAB PARTS BIN'.

IT REALLY DOES ENFORCE THE FACT THAT 'SAAB COMPETITIONS DEPT' WAS SUCH A SMALL SCALE ENTERPRISE,OPPOSED TO FIAT,FORD ETC

I HOPE YOU GET SOME MORE WORK DONE ON THE 16V MOTOR,FASCINATING READING.......THIS MUST BE A LIFETIME AMBITION?

AFTER SPENDING TEN YEARS DEVELOPING THE 'H TYPE' 8V MOTOR ON TWIN DELLORTOS,I HAD ENOUGH OF IT........FOR ME NOW,TURBO IS THE WAY TO GO.....


BUT I DO MISS THE ''WHHHRROOOARR'' OF THE N/A ENGINE,AS IT SUCKS TREES IN ON FULL THROTTLE.....

WHEN YOU GET IT RUNNING,DONT FORGET TO FILM THE FIRST RUN ON THE ROLLING ROAD......

NINE YEARS OLD WHEN I WATCHED 'STIG' IN THE 99T IN WALES ON THE LOMBARD RAC....TWENTY SEVEN YEARS LATER,I BUILT THE CAR FROM THAT DISTANT MEMORY.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jus354jz ... u_in_order

DID YOU EVER SEE THE 16V EMS IN COMPETITION.....?
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Poster Produced

Postby jhpton » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:12 pm

Printed to 48"x36" on Gator board. I'm pleased. Thanks Luke.
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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby Luke » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:30 am

Ha, thats great, I am glad that file worked out for you!

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby Crazyswede » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:05 pm

Luke wrote:Ha, thats great, I am glad that file worked out for you!


email me the hires image some time. I'd like to make a print too.
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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby Geoff » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:06 pm

Crazyswede wrote:
Luke wrote:Ha, thats great, I am glad that file worked out for you!


email me the hires image some time. I'd like to make a print too.


ditto
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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby turbo stephan » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:27 pm

+1

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby jhpton » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:43 pm

Luke, should I post a hi-res pdf of the poster online?

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Re: 16 valve B motor - living the dream

Postby BIRDIEMANGO » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:26 pm

LUKE,HAVE YOU GONE ABOUT GETTING A TIMING BELT YET.....?

HOW WILL YOU GET THE CORRECT ONE?
CARLSSON TO BLOMQVIST......

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