99 TURBO 2 DR BLACK WATER INJECTED

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SPRING IS IN THE AIR HERE IN THE(NORTH) UK ,SO WORK RESUMES ON THE OTHER RESTORATION OF THE WATER INJECTED 99T 'S'.........

WE GOT 400 RED ONES AND 200 BLACK ONES IN THE UK....

WE HAVE TWO OF THE BLACK ONES....

THIS ONE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR FOUR YEARS NOW.....

WHAT COLOUR 2 DOOR SALOONS DID YOU GET THERE&HOW MANY?

REGARDS

BIRDIE

[Geoff]

WHAT COLOUR 2 DOOR SALOONS DID YOU GET THERE&HOW MANY?

Just a few pre production cars in '77, in Burgundy Metallic

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HI GEOFF,
SO DID YOU GET A RUCK OF THREE DOOR CARS THEN(HOW MANY)&WHAT COLOUR?

[Luke]

Not sure what the total number of 99 turbos were sold here is, but we got anthracite grey, burgundy metallic, silver and black.

[SalemSaab]

Not sure what the total number of 99 turbos were sold here is, but we got anthracite grey, burgundy metallic, silver and black.

Also brown
At least, I've seen 2 that were and seemed original (one on here, one in person)

[b]WikiPedia
...was available in red, silver, gray, and black; the 2-door was available in metallic green.
The Turbo S was a special model with factory-mounted water injection, giving an extra 15–20 PS.
In 1978 there was a very limited edition of a little over 100 five-door 99 Turbos. They were only available in cardinal red metallic.

Didn't know about the Turbo-S, very cool.
I wonder how difficult it is to install a 900 Turbo onto a 99 .. can't be too many turbo-converted coupes about.

[Luke]

Not sure what the total number of 99 turbos were sold here is, but we got anthracite grey, burgundy metallic, silver and black.

Also brown
At least, I've seen 2 that were and seemed original (one on here, one in person)

[quote=WikiPedia[/quote]
...was available in red, silver, gray, and black; the 2-door was available in metallic green.
The Turbo S was a special model with factory-mounted water injection, giving an extra 15–20 PS.
In 1978 there was a very limited edition of a little over 100 five-door 99 Turbos. They were only available in cardinal red metallic.[11]

Didn't know about the Turbo-S, very cool.
I wonder how difficult it is to install a 900 Turbo onto a 99 .. can't be too many turbo-converted coupes about.[/quote]

Brown was not an original color for the 78 99 turbo in the US, if someone has one its either a repaint or a conversion from a GL. The wikipedia info must be for the Uk market, as we never 2 doors or green turbos here

Putting the turbo from a later C900 onto a 99 is not hard at all, it bolts right up to a B or H 8V manifold, you have to clock the compressor housing a little and build a custom downpipe, but thats basically it unless its a water cooler one, then those lines need to be plumbed in.

[Geoff]

Yup, all we got were 3 door 99 turbos (with the exception of those few 2dr '77 test cars).

[tweek's Turbos]

Do you still have to use that wonky style waste gate, or do you use the normal wastgate with a later style turbo?

[Geoff]

If you want, you can fit a later turbo with a "normal" waste gate. You can either block off the extra fitting on the exhaust manifold (leading to the "wonky style" waste gate) or use an 8v turbo "H" engine exhaust manifold - which seem to be less prone to cracking.

Off topic, but my friend has a '78 Buick LeSabre Turbo Sport Coupe and it came from the factory (in '78) with a "normal" waste gate. I wonder why SAAB used the "wonky style" (hehe) waste gate?

edit: I forgot to mention that the 99T had a 4-bolt turbo outlet (and 4-bolt downpipe flange to match). You'd have to convert your downpipe to a 3 bolt flange by cutting off the 4 bolt flange and fitting one of those replaceable style flanges. I've seen some 99s that have 3 bolt flanges that were converted to fit replacement turbos. I think B turbo 900s had a 4 bolt flange in '79 and a 3 bolt flange in '80 and I think the turbo outlet on the B motor 900s was similar to the 99 in that it points at a different angle than later 900s.

[BIRDIEMANGO]

HERE WE ARE CHAPS......

THE WATER INJECTION CAR WILL RETAIN THE 'ANGLED TYPE' WASTEGATE FOR ORIGINALITY

BUT HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF WHEN I WAS BUILDING THE 'CLARION 99 TURBO'.......

1ST PICTURE SHOWS ORIGINAL 99T EXHAUST TURBINE

2ND PICTURE C900 GARRET T3 FROM CLASSIC 900(LARGER DIAMATER EXHAUST TURBINE)

3RD PICTURE BESPOKE DOWNPIPE I HAD TO MAKE UP FROM STAINLESS,ROUTED DOWN THE SIDE OF THE GEARBOX......CLEARANCES ARE VERY TIGHT HERE MAYBE 8-10 MM,BUT IT CAN BE DONE

HERE IS A BIT OF FOOTAGE ON YOUTUBE IF IT HELPS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5qO50Jpq2Y


YOU CAN SEE THE FAN RELOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE RADIATOR,AS THE INTERCOOLER TAKES UP ALL THE SPACE AT THE FRONT

[99Super]

I've done most of the mentioned turbo mods to my 78 FrankenSAAB at one point or another.
First was an 80 BSI20 from a 900 into my 78 L with the original wastegate. Back then I was still able to get a NOS 99 downpipe. The pipe had the 4-bolt flange while the Turbo used the three. I trimmed off the flange at the cat, slid the 4-bolt off and slid a 3-bolt on. Then just welded a 2.5 inch exhaust out the back.
Later, I installed the Turbo from an 86 9000 using a B201 manifold using the exhaust elbow from the 9000 and custom fabbing the rest.

[SwedeSport]

What is the blue coating on the manifold, turbo, and downpipe? What is its life expectancy given all the heat it will realize?

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HELLO SWEDESPORT,IT IS A COATING CALLED 'TURBO BLUE'.......SOLD OVER HERE BY A COMPANY CALLED 'DEMON TWEEKS'

ALL THE SURFACES WERE SANDBLASTED BEFORE APPLICATION,THEN IT IS MEANT TO CURE AS IT HEATS UP IN SITU......

IT DIDNT WORK......

NOT MUCH OF IT LEFT NOW,SO I HAD THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD CERAMIC COATED PROPERLY..........THIS TIME IT STAYED ON!

[BIRDIEMANGO]

SOME MORE WORK ON THE WATER INJ 99 TURBO....

NEW CLUTCH,SLAVE CYLINDER REBUILT,NEW 'OLD' STOCK CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER,RE-MANUFACTURED HYDRAULIC PIPE.....

ENGINE SPEC IS 1MM OVERBORE,EVERYTHING BRAND NEW......

AN INTERCOOLER WILLL BE GOING IN SOMEWHERE AS WELL,ITS MY BROTHERS CAR AND HE IS AN ALLOY WELDER.....SO ALTERING THINGS IS NOT A PROBLEM....

SHOULD BE PRETTY GOOD WHEN TWO BLACK 99 TURBOS HIT THE HILLCLIMB/SPRINT CIRCUITS AT THE SAME TIME.....

[BIRDIEMANGO]

BUT TO TRY AND KEEP HIM BEHIND THE CLARION 99T,I HAD THIS DELIVERED TODAY.......

CURRENTLY I HAVE THE MERCEDES SLK INTERCOOLER FITTED,THIS ONE FROM AN ESCORT COSWORTH IS TWICE THE CORE THICKNESS ,ALONG WITH AN INTEGRAL CHARGECOOLER......

JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT FIT NOW......

I WILL PROBABLY USE A DAVIES CRAIG OR BOSCH WATER CIRCULATION PUMP THROUGH A C900 HEATER MATRIX MOUNTED IN THE INNER WING SOMEWHERE,TO COMPLETE THE INSTALLATION.....

MORE TIME&MONEY

INCIDENTALLY,THESE ARE A SET OF 'AMERICAN RACING' WHEELS I HAVE JUST FINISHED PAINTING UP 6J 15........

ARE THEY QUITE COMMON?
NEVER SEEN ANY HERE IN THE UK BEFORE,THEY CAME ON A C900 I BOUGHT A FEW YEARS BACK.....