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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby SwedeSport » Thu May 28, 2015 9:56 am

500... just for the plastic mock up stuff.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby Crazyswede » Thu May 28, 2015 2:40 pm

nobody has much of a sense of humor around here.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby DrewP » Thu May 28, 2015 3:30 pm

Did eEuro start carrying those yet?
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Thu May 28, 2015 3:57 pm

Crazyswede wrote:nobody has much of a sense of humor around here.

Some Enron accounting. The decimal point slipped over to the left.

You know Saab guys and their money, they are hard to separate.

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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby sjones » Thu May 28, 2015 11:15 pm

Crazyswede wrote:nobody has much of a sense of humor around here.


;-) Nah, we get you. You've just got a subtle delivery :P

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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Sat May 30, 2015 2:38 pm

Cleaned up the bench and shop. Time to start tube fitting and tacking.
Got the hanger in place and the merge collector sitting in space.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Sun May 31, 2015 1:43 am

Moved over the mockup flanges and added back in the primaries.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:24 pm

In between yard work projects I reset the gopro and did some dry runs with the TIG torch.
I spent a lot of time on the head rotation tooling, but I think it is going to be worth it. The alternative would be in car situ, which is a total pita.
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Two axis of movement: roll and yaw.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby Geoff » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:39 pm

Since you've done all the mock up with the header modelling blocks you know all your dimensions. It would be fun to get the header tubes bent on a CNC bender. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJC6_eSfmU
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby gmreider » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:34 pm

Geoff, what does a machine like that actually cost? The tooling must cost a fortune also. Heck, I think a Hossfield manual bender and some dies are a blessing. I wouldn't / couldn't even write the program to do the bends. That video makes me feel real OLD SCHOOL.

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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:34 am

Geoff wrote:Since you've done all the mock up with the header modelling blocks you know all your dimensions. It would be fun to get the header tubes bent on a CNC bender. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJC6_eSfmU

Thanks for the vid. Always cool to see machine automation. That would be the next step if it were to go into production. Still at proof of concept stage. Yes, it all physically fits and I have a starting point length, but don't know if it makes more power, and if so where? Ideally I'd have the old and new arrangements kitted. Do back to back Dyno with each. I had a baseline number for the old setup, but the shop closed and the Dyno is gone.

Gary you should not feel old school. Think of it is how much advancement you have see in your lifetime. We invent machines to do the repetitive boring stuff or if a human can't be reliable enough. Sometimes old school is the way to go. You know it works and it is economical for a one off.

Let the building of scrap pile begin. Hope to report real parts progress next time.

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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby DrewP » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:35 pm

Thanks for the progress photos, you're really cooking!

That bender would easily cost several million dollars with all the options that one is loaded with. A tube shop could probably do one set of your primaries for a couple grand? Something like that.
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby Geoff » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:57 am

DrewP wrote:That bender would easily cost several million dollars with all the options that one is loaded with.


But it sure is fun to dream about and watch!
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby DrewP » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:17 pm

Oh for sure. I am routinely blown away by some of the badass manufacturing equipment I get to be around at work. One of our niches is building superplastic forming presses that make titanium aircraft parts (it's sometimes called "creep forming"). That was a very cool thing to see installed and running at one of the Boeing plants outside Seattle...
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Re: Twin Scroll Turbo

Postby squaab99t » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:06 pm

DrewP wrote:Oh for sure. I am routinely blown away by some of the badass manufacturing equipment I get to be around at work. One of our niches is building superplastic forming presses that make titanium aircraft parts (it's sometimes called "creep forming"). That was a very cool thing to see installed and running at one of the Boeing plants outside Seattle...

Dude, where you in my hood? About an hour from Kent. Let me know if you plan on coming to the PNW and maybe we can pull something together?


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